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US citizens and NISA

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:16 am
by RetireJapan
What restrictions are there on US citizens investing in a NISA account? I am struggling to understand the Rakuten page on this: https://www.rakuten-sec.co.jp/web/domes ... ution.html

Re: US citizens and NISA

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:02 pm
by gerdemb
I believe the basic restriction is that “US Persons” are prevented from purchasing any US based investments such ETFs or stocks domiciles in the US.

Re: US citizens and NISA

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:38 pm
by RetireJapan
Thank you. I guess that's what it says (and have confirmed by looking here: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Investing_in_Japan)

This seems really limiting for US citizens. So basically they can't buy US-listed stocks or ETFs and shouldn't buy foreign-listed mutual funds or ETFs.

So they can basically buy Japanese individual stocks in NISA, and pay US taxes as normal one them???

Re: US citizens and NISA

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:47 pm
by RetireJapan
Are there any US citizens using a NISA account? What are you doing with it?

Re: US citizens and NISA

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:53 am
by gerdemb
Mutual funds are basically off limits for US citizens due to punitive PFIC tax rules. That leaves Japanese stocks and ETFs as the only real viable options.

Re: US citizens and NISA

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:04 am
by RetireJapan
I think Japanese ETFs are also PFICs... :(

Re: US citizens and NISA

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:05 am
by RetireJapan
Also it seems as though SMBC may allow US citizens to buy US stocks/ETFs? Or at least the JDRs?

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Investing_in_Japan

Re: US citizens and NISA

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:52 pm
by Dan
The info on the Bogleheads Japan page about specific funds may be dated.

Re: US citizens and NISA

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:55 pm
by RetireJapan
So basically NISA is a bust as well for US taxpayers? Ooof.

I should not be this frustrated with the tax system of a country I neither live in nor have any connection with...

Re: US citizens and NISA

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:21 am
by DragonAsh
Just a data point here, SBI will not let me (US citizen) purchase foreign stocks or mutual funds.
They do allow me to purchase Japanese stocks and ETFs, including in my NISA account.