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Wills - Which Countries Defer to Japan?

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:18 pm
by TokyoBoglehead
If an expat dies in Japan, Japan usually defers to that expats home countries inheritance laws. However some countries like the UK, defer back to Japan.

What other countries do this? It's a difficult thing to research. ( I'm personally interested in Canada).

Re: Wills - Which Countries Defer to Japan?

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:33 pm
by Wales4rugbyWC23
Are you sure about that with the UK? I have a British will, but I do not have a Japanese will.

Re: Wills - Which Countries Defer to Japan?

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:53 pm
by RetireJapan
Wales4rugbyWC19 wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:33 pm Are you sure about that with the UK? I have a British will, but I do not have a Japanese will.
I read that somewhere once. Best I could find just now was this: https://www.co-oplegalservices.co.uk/me ... residents/

"Probate for People Not Domiciled in the UK
If the deceased person is deemed to be domiciled outside of the UK, then the Probate process will normally have to be dealt with in their country of domicile. But if he/she still owned assets in the UK, then Probate might also be needed in the UK in order to release these assets."

Re: Wills - Which Countries Defer to Japan?

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:57 pm
by RetireJapan
Also this: "It is vitally important therefore that any Will meets the requirements in the country in which you live and is legally valid."

https://bbc-law.co.uk/making-a-will/wills-for-expats/

Re: Wills - Which Countries Defer to Japan?

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:00 pm
by RetireJapan
TokyoBoglehead wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:18 pm If an expat dies in Japan, Japan usually defers to that expats home countries inheritance laws. However some countries like the UK, defer back to Japan.

What other countries do this? It's a difficult thing to research. ( I'm personally interested in Canada).
This seems to imply Canada does the same: https://www.taylorestateslaw.com/post/c ... -residents

"Whether you have movable or immovable assets situate in Ontario, it is highly recommended to have an Ontario will even if you already have one in your country of domicile. It is possible to have a single will in your country of domicile that applies to all global assets, but there are important advantages to having an Ontario will or “contingent” wills; i.e., complementary wills in both countries.

Ontario law makes a distinction between movable and immovable assets. Pursuant to Ontario law, if you have immovable assets situate in Ontario, the laws of Ontario will apply in regards to your will’s validity. However, if you have movable assets, the laws of your country of domicile will apply."

Re: Wills - Which Countries Defer to Japan?

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:28 am
by Wales4rugbyWC23
RetireJapan wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:53 pm
Wales4rugbyWC19 wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:33 pm Are you sure about that with the UK? I have a British will, but I do not have a Japanese will.
I read that somewhere once. Best I could find just now was this: https://www.co-oplegalservices.co.uk/me ... residents/

"Probate for People Not Domiciled in the UK
If the deceased person is deemed to be domiciled outside of the UK, then the Probate process will normally have to be dealt with in their country of domicile. But if he/she still owned assets in the UK, then Probate might also be needed in the UK in order to release these assets."
Well I have assets in the UK, I guess it is time to write my Japanese will then.

Re: Wills - Which Countries Defer to Japan?

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:56 am
by RetireJapan
Wales4rugbyWC19 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:28 am Well I have assets in the UK, I guess it is time to write my Japanese will then.
I hear it is important that both wills match exactly to avoid problems down the line. I don't have anything in the UK other than a couple of hundred quid in NatWest, so I don't have an up to date UK will.

My situation in Japan has changed and is no longer standard, so I need to get on with making a will here. Hopefully should get a couple of blog posts out of the process if nothing else :D

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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:32 am
by sytyue
RetireJapan wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:56 am
Wales4rugbyWC19 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:28 am Well I have assets in the UK, I guess it is time to write my Japanese will then.
I hear it is important that both wills match exactly to avoid problems down the line. I don't have anything in the UK other than a couple of hundred quid in NatWest, so I don't have an up to date UK will.

My situation in Japan has changed and is no longer standard, so I need to get on with making a will here. Hopefully should get a couple of blog posts out of the process if nothing else :D
I would like to read your blog posts about writing a will in Japan! I have no assets back home in Canada, so I was just going to write a will in Japan. Would like to read any insights about your experience and the process you went thru with a lawyer?

Hoping to get mine done in a next year or so.

Re: Wills - Which Countries Defer to Japan?

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:18 am
by RetireJapan
sytyue wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:32 am I would like to read your blog posts about writing a will in Japan! I have no assets back home in Canada, so I was just going to write a will in Japan. Would like to read any insights about your experience and the process you went thru with a lawyer?

Hoping to get mine done in a next year or so.
Actually, I just realised that should my wife and I die at the same time, all my assets would likely go to the Japanese government, so I need to make a will ASAP :shock:

Knowing me, ASAP could take some time though...

Re: Wills - Which Countries Defer to Japan?

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:47 pm
by ClearAsMud
RetireJapan wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:18 am Actually, I just realised that should my wife and I die at the same time, all my assets would likely go to the Japanese government...
Why would this be? As long as statutory heirs can be identified -- which not only includes parents and children but also, depending on who survives, grandparents, grandchildren, siblings, and nephews and nieces -- those heirs would receive the assets before the Japanese government would (minus any taxes, of course!). Also, if a beneficiary named in a will dies at the same time as the testator, that section of the will loses validity and the applicable assets are distributed according to the Civil Code (i.e., they go to the statutory heirs).

Probably a good idea not to put off ASAP too long, though, because the more complications that exist, the longer inheritance will take.